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		<title>Comment on WRITING by Ryan Trecartin piece up at ArtReview Digital &#124; ConsecutiveMatters (a.k.a. jonathantdneil.com)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Trecartin piece up at ArtReview Digital &#124; ConsecutiveMatters (a.k.a. jonathantdneil.com)</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Dissent and identity at ABMB &#8217;08 by JTDN</title>
		<link>http://jonathantdneil.com/2008/12/10/dissent-and-identity-at-abmb-08/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>JTDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was unhappy with &quot;petty&quot; as the operative term here from the get go, but timing dictated that I get the piece off and I haven&#039;t thought about it since.  But I would argue that &quot;petty&quot; is just the lightest version of a sensibility of self-censorship (and so an index of ideology at work, I would think), for which words such as &quot;gauche&quot; or &quot;declasse&quot; could be substituted.  But there are stronger positions at works here; and if I were to extend the thinking, I would probably find myself reaching back to Mauss and the political economy of the &quot;gift,&quot; because in many ways, this is what the close identity of patron and institution allows for.  Where there&#039;s no mediation, the &quot;generosity&quot; on display is suffocating--you either take it or leave it.  I don&#039;t see this as &quot;shaping&quot; the discourse as bludgeoning it into submission for one&#039;s own purposes.  But this is the cynical take, and it doesn&#039;t reflect how I feel about the Rubell Collection, which I genuinely admire.  Nevertheless, that admiration is tempered by this ambivalence that, I think, is inherent to the way the whole thing is staged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was unhappy with &#8220;petty&#8221; as the operative term here from the get go, but timing dictated that I get the piece off and I haven&#8217;t thought about it since.  But I would argue that &#8220;petty&#8221; is just the lightest version of a sensibility of self-censorship (and so an index of ideology at work, I would think), for which words such as &#8220;gauche&#8221; or &#8220;declasse&#8221; could be substituted.  But there are stronger positions at works here; and if I were to extend the thinking, I would probably find myself reaching back to Mauss and the political economy of the &#8220;gift,&#8221; because in many ways, this is what the close identity of patron and institution allows for.  Where there&#8217;s no mediation, the &#8220;generosity&#8221; on display is suffocating&#8211;you either take it or leave it.  I don&#8217;t see this as &#8220;shaping&#8221; the discourse as bludgeoning it into submission for one&#8217;s own purposes.  But this is the cynical take, and it doesn&#8217;t reflect how I feel about the Rubell Collection, which I genuinely admire.  Nevertheless, that admiration is tempered by this ambivalence that, I think, is inherent to the way the whole thing is staged.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dissent and identity at ABMB &#8217;08 by Catherine Spaeth</title>
		<link>http://jonathantdneil.com/2008/12/10/dissent-and-identity-at-abmb-08/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Spaeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t there a difference between the politeness one expects at a cocktail party in someone&#039;s home and what occurs in the more public space of an exhibition?

I don&#039;t remember who it was, but a long time ago there was a famous instance of an art critic complaining that there is no place from which to review a Bill T. Jones piece on the topic of AIDS, as it was, after all, on the topic of AIDS.  I can see the discomfort of a &quot;hands up&quot; in this instance.

But not necessarily with regard to collector-owned non-profits.  In fact, I  do think there is an obligation to attend to the eccentricities of such institutions, as you indicate here with regard to &quot;identity.&quot; It is not a petty move at all.  More worrisome might be that it&#039;s just not that interesting.

I have not seen the collection personally, but there is a pretty good website, and I have interviewed Coetzee.   He emphasized the notion that patrons are no longer comfortable just to write a check, they want to shape the discourse, and isn&#039;t it important to address that shaping?  To worry about being called petty in doing so is for you to allow the discourse to be reduced to character defamation - don&#039;t stand for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t there a difference between the politeness one expects at a cocktail party in someone&#8217;s home and what occurs in the more public space of an exhibition?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember who it was, but a long time ago there was a famous instance of an art critic complaining that there is no place from which to review a Bill T. Jones piece on the topic of AIDS, as it was, after all, on the topic of AIDS.  I can see the discomfort of a &#8220;hands up&#8221; in this instance.</p>
<p>But not necessarily with regard to collector-owned non-profits.  In fact, I  do think there is an obligation to attend to the eccentricities of such institutions, as you indicate here with regard to &#8220;identity.&#8221; It is not a petty move at all.  More worrisome might be that it&#8217;s just not that interesting.</p>
<p>I have not seen the collection personally, but there is a pretty good website, and I have interviewed Coetzee.   He emphasized the notion that patrons are no longer comfortable just to write a check, they want to shape the discourse, and isn&#8217;t it important to address that shaping?  To worry about being called petty in doing so is for you to allow the discourse to be reduced to character defamation &#8211; don&#8217;t stand for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WRITING by Consecutive Matters (a.k.a. jonathantdneil.com) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links to new AR articles and reviews&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consecutive Matters (a.k.a. jonathantdneil.com) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links to new AR articles and reviews&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on An emerging revolution&#8230; by Catherine Spaeth</title>
		<link>http://jonathantdneil.com/2008/10/01/an-emerging-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Spaeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The opportunism that I saw in the repeated name was in your finding in a letter to the editor another Tara Donovan - and you do it here again!  You have a strong desire for intellectual thought to be visibly, palpably embedded in culture. There is perhaps a form of the rhizomatic blogosphere that you are feeding on here, without wanting to merely  appeal to some savvy layer of visual culture.  

My own desires for knowledge to become visible as an achieved and histroical form are similar, but I think that, with some unhappiness, I&#039;m closer to finding what you call patterns of behaviour  (manifestations of thought) closer to that savvy layer of visual culture, in gallery give-aways and such.  

I don&#039;t know that I&#039;m interested in the quantitative, per se, but I do know that things have reached such a scale and that things are changing so rapidly, that the little gallery reviews just don&#039;t cut it any more, as much as I love to write them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opportunism that I saw in the repeated name was in your finding in a letter to the editor another Tara Donovan &#8211; and you do it here again!  You have a strong desire for intellectual thought to be visibly, palpably embedded in culture. There is perhaps a form of the rhizomatic blogosphere that you are feeding on here, without wanting to merely  appeal to some savvy layer of visual culture.  </p>
<p>My own desires for knowledge to become visible as an achieved and histroical form are similar, but I think that, with some unhappiness, I&#8217;m closer to finding what you call patterns of behaviour  (manifestations of thought) closer to that savvy layer of visual culture, in gallery give-aways and such.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;m interested in the quantitative, per se, but I do know that things have reached such a scale and that things are changing so rapidly, that the little gallery reviews just don&#8217;t cut it any more, as much as I love to write them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An emerging revolution&#8230; by JTDN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The notion of focusing on populations of agents and objects rather than upon individuals and works is a way of opening up art criticism to this premise of &quot;more is different&quot; (Anderson&#039;s speedy caricature of &quot;emergence&quot;).  Emergence is then not so much a &quot;form&quot; of criticism I guess as it is the sought after object in critical analysis of shifts in artistic practice.  For example, the rapid growth in the numbers of artists and exhibition spaces (galleries included) that resulted from the professionalization and popularization of the art MFA throughout the 80s could very well be seen as the driving force behind the &quot;emergence&quot; of independent curatorial and relational aesthetic practices (I&#039;ve just been thinking about the latter a lot recently, hence the example).  At some point, the numbers themselves determine the shift.  To use the technical analogy, a phase transition occurs, and this new pattern of artistic behavior sets in.

Donovan, as you note, is opportunistic I admit, and I look to her mostly because some of her work is demonstrative of emergence in its physical manifestation.  As I look at what&#039;s necessary to conceive of this concept as an operative one in the field of history and criticism, however, I realize that my Donovan example won&#039;t hold.  But for the time being, I still like it.

Perhaps the thing to do, then, is to attempt to recognize these patterns of behavior (in artistic, curatorial, critical and historical practice) and to see at what point the numbers themselves (practitioners; entities) begin to count.  This may seem too quantitative for some, but I think that&#039;s the interesting thing; as historians and critics, we&#039;re very bad with the quantitative, but here&#039;s a concept that offers us a way of thinking the quantitative and qualitative in conjunction (which is also a way of thinking the temporal and the synchronic together too).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion of focusing on populations of agents and objects rather than upon individuals and works is a way of opening up art criticism to this premise of &#8220;more is different&#8221; (Anderson&#8217;s speedy caricature of &#8220;emergence&#8221;).  Emergence is then not so much a &#8220;form&#8221; of criticism I guess as it is the sought after object in critical analysis of shifts in artistic practice.  For example, the rapid growth in the numbers of artists and exhibition spaces (galleries included) that resulted from the professionalization and popularization of the art MFA throughout the 80s could very well be seen as the driving force behind the &#8220;emergence&#8221; of independent curatorial and relational aesthetic practices (I&#8217;ve just been thinking about the latter a lot recently, hence the example).  At some point, the numbers themselves determine the shift.  To use the technical analogy, a phase transition occurs, and this new pattern of artistic behavior sets in.</p>
<p>Donovan, as you note, is opportunistic I admit, and I look to her mostly because some of her work is demonstrative of emergence in its physical manifestation.  As I look at what&#8217;s necessary to conceive of this concept as an operative one in the field of history and criticism, however, I realize that my Donovan example won&#8217;t hold.  But for the time being, I still like it.</p>
<p>Perhaps the thing to do, then, is to attempt to recognize these patterns of behavior (in artistic, curatorial, critical and historical practice) and to see at what point the numbers themselves (practitioners; entities) begin to count.  This may seem too quantitative for some, but I think that&#8217;s the interesting thing; as historians and critics, we&#8217;re very bad with the quantitative, but here&#8217;s a concept that offers us a way of thinking the quantitative and qualitative in conjunction (which is also a way of thinking the temporal and the synchronic together too).</p>
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		<title>Comment on An emerging revolution&#8230; by Catherine Spaeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Spaeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been thinking about this for a while, in fact my most recent post on the sublime and the picturesque is in a sense a response, raising a question about concepts and the appearance of old dualisms that show up like uninvited guests.

I&#039;m curious about the following:

&quot;In terms of criticism, emergence would require that we begin to look at entire populations of agents and objects rather than continuing to focus on those agents and objects alone.&quot;

I regard this as my own practice, and it really doesn&#039;t find its place in the critical establishment, which is why I prefer to write on a blog.  But let&#039;s say that the above statement won&#039;t necessarily lead to what you seem to call emergence - for example, my pieces on what I got for free, and the sublime/picturesque, both investigate, differently, &quot;entire populations,&quot; but I don&#039;t think they line up adequately to what you want emergence to be.  Can you say more about what emergence does as a form of criticism?  

Can you elaborate on how Tara Donovan&#039;s repeated name is something other than historical reflection?  I see what you are after, and it is quite beautiful, but I am asking for it to be extended beyond the level of very lucky opportunism and to support this rather huge claim for a paradigmatic shift (?) - which I would be very happy for you to name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking about this for a while, in fact my most recent post on the sublime and the picturesque is in a sense a response, raising a question about concepts and the appearance of old dualisms that show up like uninvited guests.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;In terms of criticism, emergence would require that we begin to look at entire populations of agents and objects rather than continuing to focus on those agents and objects alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>I regard this as my own practice, and it really doesn&#8217;t find its place in the critical establishment, which is why I prefer to write on a blog.  But let&#8217;s say that the above statement won&#8217;t necessarily lead to what you seem to call emergence &#8211; for example, my pieces on what I got for free, and the sublime/picturesque, both investigate, differently, &#8220;entire populations,&#8221; but I don&#8217;t think they line up adequately to what you want emergence to be.  Can you say more about what emergence does as a form of criticism?  </p>
<p>Can you elaborate on how Tara Donovan&#8217;s repeated name is something other than historical reflection?  I see what you are after, and it is quite beautiful, but I am asking for it to be extended beyond the level of very lucky opportunism and to support this rather huge claim for a paradigmatic shift (?) &#8211; which I would be very happy for you to name.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five fallacies of art criticism (2nd fallacy) by Eric Gelber</title>
		<link>http://jonathantdneil.com/2008/09/15/five-fallacies-of-art-criticism-2nd-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gelber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would hope that the criticism I have written about artists who never get written about again, or who rarely get written about, does not turn into an &#039;anecdotal relic&#039; simply because I describe the work of art along with everything else I write about. Criticism often does include anecdote. &quot;When I entered the gallery...&quot; &quot;The first time I met the artist...&quot; etc. But if the entire piece of criticism is anecdotal, description, whatever you want to call it, it is not criticism. The key components of criticism, historically speaking, are evaluation and analysis. Evaluation is &quot;to determine the significance, worth, or condition of usually by careful appraisal and study&quot; and analysis is &quot;an examination of a complex, its elements, and their relations&quot;. So if a writer writes about an art work that doesn&#039;t really exist, even if the writer follows the structure or format of a typical example of art criticism (there are many variations obviously), then we would have a blending of types. It certainly wouldn&#039;t be art criticism the writer was producing. Writers can treat historical precedents haphazardly and call their writing whatever the hell they want to, but they can&#039;t expect their readers to do the same. I would also imagine that these imaginary hybrid forms of writing, criticism that is entirely fictive, would only get publsihed if they were packaged as satirical fiction or experimental fiction. &#039;Experimental&#039; as used here, is a huge umbrella that a lot of stuff can be shoved under.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hope that the criticism I have written about artists who never get written about again, or who rarely get written about, does not turn into an &#8216;anecdotal relic&#8217; simply because I describe the work of art along with everything else I write about. Criticism often does include anecdote. &#8220;When I entered the gallery&#8230;&#8221; &#8220;The first time I met the artist&#8230;&#8221; etc. But if the entire piece of criticism is anecdotal, description, whatever you want to call it, it is not criticism. The key components of criticism, historically speaking, are evaluation and analysis. Evaluation is &#8220;to determine the significance, worth, or condition of usually by careful appraisal and study&#8221; and analysis is &#8220;an examination of a complex, its elements, and their relations&#8221;. So if a writer writes about an art work that doesn&#8217;t really exist, even if the writer follows the structure or format of a typical example of art criticism (there are many variations obviously), then we would have a blending of types. It certainly wouldn&#8217;t be art criticism the writer was producing. Writers can treat historical precedents haphazardly and call their writing whatever the hell they want to, but they can&#8217;t expect their readers to do the same. I would also imagine that these imaginary hybrid forms of writing, criticism that is entirely fictive, would only get publsihed if they were packaged as satirical fiction or experimental fiction. &#8216;Experimental&#8217; as used here, is a huge umbrella that a lot of stuff can be shoved under.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five fallacies of art criticism (2nd fallacy) by Catherine Spaeth</title>
		<link>http://jonathantdneil.com/2008/09/15/five-fallacies-of-art-criticism-2nd-fallacy/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Spaeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s good to ask, to parse out, the authority of criticism and to challenge its forms - I like this image of the &quot;first responder,&quot; but in phenomenological language there is also the &quot;first word,&quot; an utterance that makes visible what can be said but has not yet been made visible.  First responders will usually become an anecdotal relic, compared to those who came after and hauled a new social world into being.

On Artworld Salon not too far back I mentioned a work by Pisano, called &quot;A sculpture turning into a conversation,&quot; that was just this sort of investigation/construction of a fictive object - the conversation itself became what she was referring to as a sculpture.  It sounds like, from her perspective, this fiction is not criticism at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to ask, to parse out, the authority of criticism and to challenge its forms &#8211; I like this image of the &#8220;first responder,&#8221; but in phenomenological language there is also the &#8220;first word,&#8221; an utterance that makes visible what can be said but has not yet been made visible.  First responders will usually become an anecdotal relic, compared to those who came after and hauled a new social world into being.</p>
<p>On Artworld Salon not too far back I mentioned a work by Pisano, called &#8220;A sculpture turning into a conversation,&#8221; that was just this sort of investigation/construction of a fictive object &#8211; the conversation itself became what she was referring to as a sculpture.  It sounds like, from her perspective, this fiction is not criticism at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five fallacies of art criticism (2nd fallacy) by JTDN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This will take us a bit far afield--and I&#039;ve toyed with this idea but have never acted upon it--but one could write criticism of a work of art, and write well about it, if it were a FICTION.  Yes, this would likely disqualify the entire enterprise as actual criticism, for which we take it as de rigeur that it maintains some connection to reality.  But, in a sense, it&#039;s something like the zombie or Chinese room argument within the philosophy of mind.  If we didn&#039;t know it to be a fiction, would we be able to disqualify it as criticism?

To get back on point, the writing on the early &#039;land art&#039; exhibition at Cornell in the late 60s, and anything that covered Robert Barry&#039;s first conceptual pieces, push this point about experience to the limit.  Eric is right to note, however, that there always has to be a &#039;first responder&#039; of sorts, an initial account, the remit of which is to convey just what it is that is experienced (even if that experience is one of denial).  But here&#039;s my question: why are we so convinced that THAT is criticism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will take us a bit far afield&#8211;and I&#8217;ve toyed with this idea but have never acted upon it&#8211;but one could write criticism of a work of art, and write well about it, if it were a FICTION.  Yes, this would likely disqualify the entire enterprise as actual criticism, for which we take it as de rigeur that it maintains some connection to reality.  But, in a sense, it&#8217;s something like the zombie or Chinese room argument within the philosophy of mind.  If we didn&#8217;t know it to be a fiction, would we be able to disqualify it as criticism?</p>
<p>To get back on point, the writing on the early &#8216;land art&#8217; exhibition at Cornell in the late 60s, and anything that covered Robert Barry&#8217;s first conceptual pieces, push this point about experience to the limit.  Eric is right to note, however, that there always has to be a &#8216;first responder&#8217; of sorts, an initial account, the remit of which is to convey just what it is that is experienced (even if that experience is one of denial).  But here&#8217;s my question: why are we so convinced that THAT is criticism?</p>
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